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Nice idea.. The actual Helix ice Screw is excellent. Didn't find placing them as easy as expected (when starting off the 'quickdraw' got in the way a bit) - perhaps need to experiment more Removing them was good and worked well - much easier to be relaxed about it. Not quite sure if the extra is worth it (but then, you only need to 'not drop' one to change that). The 20cm sling doesn't give the length of a 20cm quickdraw as there is one less krab....so I thought that was ok.